Offered Without Comment 06

Posted: October 6, 2020 in Conspiracy, Culture, Fascism, Intellectual History, Politics
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From a lengthy blog post by Timothy Burke, which sparked considerable follow-on discussion in the comments:

What the liberal-progressive world largely doesn’t understand is that the 35% of the electorate that stand[s] with Trump no matter what he does (maybe a quarter of people resident inside the borders of the US) do[es] not believe in democracy. It is not that they don’t realize that Trump is an authoritarian, etc., that democracy is in danger. They realize it and they’re glad. Mission accomplished. They have a different view of power and political process, of social relations. They are brutalists. Fundamentally they think power is a zero-sum game. You hold it or you are held by it. You are the boot on someone’s neck or there will be a boot on yours. They agree that what they have was taken from others; they think that’s the way of all things. You take or are taken from.

They do not believe in liberty and justice for all, or even really for themselves: it is not that they reserve liberty for themselves, because they believe that even they should be subject to the will of a merciless authority (who they nevertheless expect to favor them as an elect of that authority). We often ask how evangelicals who think this way can stand the notion of a God who would permit a tornado to destroy a church and kill the innocents gathered in it for shelter. They can stand it because they expect that of authority: that authority is cruel and without mercy because it must be. They simply expect authority to be far more cruel to others than it is to them. And they expect to be cruel with the authority they possess.

  1. Greg Knepp says:

    Hell, Brutus, when have democracies been OUT of danger? As I have always said, historically democracy has generally been the luxury of certain affluent societies at their apex – the exception rather than the rule. Indeed, precious few revolutions have ushered in long-lasting democratic regimes. Even the so-called American Revolution was little more than a tax evasion – wealthy colonial Brits welshing* on their fat-cat brethren across the pond. The Americans kept the tax money, and the basic British democratic format – sans royalty, of course.

    *PC alert!!!

    • Brutus says:

      I didn’t write the quoted text above. Not sure if, when, where, nor how democracies have ever been invulnerable. You and I agree there. The point, however, is recognition of a particular threat that has been there all along, festering away but now revealing itself more clearly. I found brutalism (or merely brutality?) as described above a worthwhile concept to mull over, especially considering many now argue that we are poised to lose everything remotely democratic in character. I’ve been complaining for some time about incipient fascism, which is not something one should wish to flirt with. Yet here we are as Americans, doing just that.

      • Greg Knepp says:

        My comment contains no quoted text. But in your article you write, “…that democracy is in danger. They realize it and they are glad.” I agree fully. My point is that democracy is pretty much always in danger. There is little security in placing the national decision-making process in the hands of the lumpen masses. And security is what people crave most. Result – Strongmanism.

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